“But the Jumanos occupied this land when the Spanish first show up.
So they were here until probably about the early 1700s.
Early 1700s, Plains Apaches then come in - and displace the largely - pedestrian Jumanos.
Wow.
I've never heard of Indians displacing each other.
This was a blood feud.
So how bloody of a battle are we talking about? If you're a fallen warrior, you can expect to have your corpse mutilated.
They'd cut off hands, cut off fingers.
- Really? - Very brutal.
And then, the Apaches are driven out by the Comanches.
Goes for 100 years.
So we're talking from the mid 1700s? Yeah, all the way into the early 19th century.
I mean, they fought the Apaches hammer and tongs.
I mean, they never gave up fighting the Apaches - until the very, very end.
- Geez.
They scalped people.
They'd eat livers sometimes.
If they could make you scream or beg for mercy, that's the ultimate power.
These guys sound like - not somebody you want to mess with.
- Right.
How do the white settlers wind up dealing with it? Well, the settlers were on the losing end for several decades.
I mean, really, the Comanches ruled the roost out here from about 1770 to about 1870.
There is a lot of anonymous dying in this part of the world.
There's a lot of panic.
This old dude is talking.
He's, like, saying, "There's all of these wars that happened.
" And he's talking about the Native Americans.
Well, like, with the Native Americans I just see them, like, fighting.
And then I just see them dead.
I see their blood on the ground.
There's other people later.
So I keep seeing, like, different groups of people over time, and they're just dead on the ground, bleeding.
So what I'm thinking is that this thing is causing causing it.
It's, like, instigating and fueling it.
Yes.
Yes."
This is the psychic Amy Allan, and the retired police officer Steve DiSchiavi, of the American TV Series The Dead Files, talking  about how the intra-tribal warfare of the American Indian was caused by disincarnate forces.

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